A Christian Marriage Embodies True Romance

I’ve written and rewritten the lead-in to this, and I just don’t know how to do this without just coming out and saying that this is one of the more disturbing sites I’ve seen in a long, long time:

WELCOME TO CHRISTIAN DOMESTIC DISCIPLINE

Loving Wife Spanking in a Christian Marriage

You know you want to read more about this.

Now, far be it from me to suggest that people should never play at dominant and submissive roles in their marriage.  When done consensually, it can be fun for some people, and I’m a very live-and-let-live sort.  But…well, these people don’t seem to be playing:

A domestic discipline marriage is one in which one partner in the marriage is given authority over the other and has the means to back the authority, usually by spanking.

A Christian Domestic Discipline marriage is one that is set up according to Biblical standards; that is, the husband is the authority in the household.  The wife is submissive to her husband as is fit in the Lord and her husband loves her as himself.  He has the ultimate authority in his household, but it is tempered with the knowledge that he must answer to God for his actions and decisions.  He has the authority to spank his wife for punishment, but in real CDD marriages this is taken very seriously and usually happens only rarely.  CDD is so much more than just spanking.  It is the husband loving the wife enough to guide and teach her, and the wife loving the husband enough to follow his leadership.  A Christian marriage embodies true romance and a Christian man a true hero. 

Though this seems unusual in today’s United States, this kind of marriage has been practiced throughout history and is still practiced in many parts of the world today. 

The site has all sorts of lovely links, like a place you can purchase sweet undies like these:

modeled_pantaloons1

I know.  Hot, huh?

Of course, the site is very clear that this has to be consensual:

Though we believe the Bible gives a husband the authority to use spanking as one tool in enforcing his authority in the home with or without his wife’s permission, in today’s world we recognize the legality that mandates that all CDD must be consensual.  Therefore we will do not condone nonconsensual CDD as a rule.

In other words, they recognize that it “has” to be consensual, but when those pesky domestic abuse laws are repealed, it’s a free-for-all.

Also, this is a one-way street:

In CDD, the husband has authority to spank the wife.  The wife does not have authority to spank her husband.

And gays, just in case you were wondering:

CDD is practiced between a man and a woman.

Sorry, no semi-consensual spanking for you!

The site has a number of other wondrous things, from a handy glossary (Pre-emptive Spanking:A spanking given before an event or occasion where a wife has, in the past, had a difficult time with her behavior in the hopes the reminder will help her to behave, sparing her a more severe punishment spanking. ; AAAC: Acronym for Avoid At All Costs. A spanking designed to be particularly severe) to really depressing blog entries like this:

Okay, this is the third day in a row in my Maintenance Diary I have had to give myself a C in the area of housework and the second day I’ve had to give myself a B/C in the area of holding the kids accountable to the rules.  I feel like I am slipping this week.  For some reason I seem scattered and can’t get the things done that I need to get done, plus my teenage son seems more slippery than ever.  It seems like I can’t pin him down long enough to get him to take out the trash, let alone do some Algebra.  Am I just incapable of not letting the kids manipulate me?  I don’t even know what is happening until it has already happened.  I looked around yesterday and all the kids were gone to friends’ houses and I hadn’t checked their room and they hadn’t done any schoolwork or other chores.  

So what does this mean?  Does it mean I have to have a severe maintenance session every week?  Because I’m afraid that’s where I’m headed this weekend if I can’t pull it together.  And it’s already Wednesday!  I’ve already got three C’s in housework.  I doubt my husband will overlook that.

But certainly the best part has to be the page that explains how to break the news to your partner that spanking is now in play.  The women who need to be spanked have the easier explanation, of course:

Make it clear this is a need of yours, not just some passing fancy.  Acknowledge it might sound weird, but up until the middle of the 20th century it was very common, and even today thousands practice CDD.

But the menfolk have a trickier needle to thread:

1. Husbands, you are in a stickier situation.  It is one thing to tell your husband you need correction, but it is quite another to tell your wife she needs discipline. Take it slowly.Maybe consider introducing it to her a bit at a time.

2. If she is already committed to living in a Biblical marriage (i.e. husband the head of the household), you are blessed. Explain to her the Biblical justifications for CDD (for more information, see Understanding Christian Domestic Discipline), and gently suggest you use CDD.

And if she gives you any lip, sock her.

Now, as I said, I’m all for couples doing this to engage in dom/sub play, and great if they are. But this isn’t that. Let’s call this what it is: abuse.

But let’s not pretend that the site is lying, at least not about everything. This is how things ran until a half-century ago, when women finally began to struggle out from under the thumb of their husbands. We have come a long way quickly. But we still have a long way to go.

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102 responses to “A Christian Marriage Embodies True Romance

  1. Well I WAS going to walk down to the tacqueria for lunch, but now I think I’ll pass.

  2. L

    I have to get me some of those undies! They’re very Little House On the Prairie meets Whip Me, Spank Me. HAWT!

  3. in today’s world we recognize the legality that mandates that all CDD must be consensual. Therefore we will do not condone nonconsensual CDD as a rule

    Wink wink, nudge nudge.

    Jebus.

  4. I’m sorry, I know this site is apparently for real, and domestic abuse is obviously a deadly-serious problem.

    But when I began to consider what I would do to Mr. litbrit if he so much as suggested such a thing, well, it’s pretty funny. Let’s just say there aren’t enough emeralds in the world, nor are there enough bandages.

  5. (But those bloomers would be cute worn as a beach coverup with a white bikini…)

  6. jenn

    This is just too bizarre for me to understand. Adult spankings for bad behavior? How in the world do these women justify this to themselves, let alone others? Do they only hang with the same type of people? Have they never even heard of anything different, or are they just so incredibly brainwashed to believe that all else is evil? I know this might sound naive on my part, but I just really cannot understand. Must be all the heathenness.

  7. Angelos

    I agree, L. Those are kinda hot.

    Thanks for this, Jeff. I’m putting the wife on notice.

  8. Chromosome Crawl

    “…looked around yesterday and all the kids were gone to friends’ houses and I hadn’t checked their room”

    OK, now, not having kids, I really am not overly qualified to dispense advice on how to raise em, but I WILL say that I thank the FSM that my Mom’s attitude was more of a “is anyone bleeding? No…ok, then get over it” as well as for ‘checking our rooms’ – THAT was the main reason that the kids’ rooms were on the second floor.

    Mom even said once “whatever you do in your room, as long as it doesn’t damage the house, is up to you. Clean it, get some allowance $. Don’t clean it, it’s your mess…”

    BTW – I’m sure my household would get pretty low grades, what with all of the cat hair tumbleweeds that appear as if magic!

  9. See, I’m a kinky girl, in a kinky marriage. I’m not exactly submissive, but I belong to her. (I’m not bragging, or trying to play Freak the Natives here, just explaining where I am in my life for a little perspective on what I’m going to say here.)

    These people are deeply, profoundly creepifying. We live our lives, the wife and I, the way we do because we like it that way. It works for us, it’s sexy, and that’s all there is to it. Neither of us claims that it’s a Godly way to live, that it’s normal except everybody pretends it’s not, and we certainly don’t claim that anyone else should live the way we do.

    I think it’s the “We’re the model Christian marriage!” bit that makes my skin crawl. Ew ew ew ew ew.

  10. I am so upset by that blog entry (the woman in despair about her Cs in housework)…well, I’m speechless. Nauseated, really.

    Maybe because I’ve just seen up close too much domestic abuse.

  11. the bloomers are positively scandalous! why, you can see her ankles!

  12. I’ve seen this site before, and the author comes across as a spanking fetishist who’s so ashamed of her kink that she’s gone through the looking glass in her attempt to justify it.

  13. puellasolis

    From another of that same woman’s entries:

    We began, as my husband promised, last Saturday evening. That first maintenance session was terrible for me… more like a punishment spanking than maintenance. He used a wooden spoon and had me bend across his knee in that “original” OTK position that Noone describes on the CDD blog and proceeded to spank the daylights out of my bottom. I, of course, was a mess even before it began, knowing it was going to be more severe than usual, so I was shaking all over and pretty much trying to convince him we should wait until another night. Before it was all over, I was bawling like a baby.

    But he loves her, so it’s okay. [/CCDer]

    Profoundly disturbing, all of it. I feel so sad for the women, not to mention the children (who must be getting some seriously twisted ideas about love, marriage, and women).

  14. i just threw up in my mouth a little. now the back of my nose is burning.

    here it comes again.

    ick.

  15. eastsidekate

    On the one hand, I’m getting this creepy “we like S&M, but since we’re not queers (and S&M is for queers) we need to make it clear that what we’re doing isn’t S&M, but something completely different” vibe.

    That’s such closeted-thinking it’s hilarious (it would be more so if not for the double-speak of Christian moralists). Consensual S&M can be fun, and doesn’t make you queer and/or hell bound.

    On the other hand, I’m also getting this “we menfolk like domestic violence, but since were good people, we need to make it clear that this isn’t domestic violence” vibe.

    Ewwww! Ewwwww! Ewwwww! Call the cops. In the mean time, I think I’m going to suffer a reversal.

  16. NameChanged

    This disgusts me. This is not something that the “wife” wants. She fears her husband the way a child fears an abusive father. It is not long before a “punishment” equals why-do-you-make-me-do-this-punches followed by a cover-your-bruises-before-the-kids-come-home-shout.

    And Jesus told me to do it.

  17. Blogwhore alert:

    It’s not often I get to do this, so I’d like to point out that I blogged on this in May. Since then, whenever I check my search queries, “crotchless pantaloons” are ALWAYS in the top ten. I also have an excerpt from one of the “romance novels” advertised on the site.

    I wish it was a kink, even a kink taken too far. You want to be kinky, then be kinky, baby! But the more I’ve thought about this, the more convinced I’ve become that this has nothing to do with sexual pleasure – well, at least not the woman’s.

  18. I think harmfulguy has a point.

    I can’t even get my head around this EXCEPT as dom/sub play. How could someone do this to another adult without feeling foolish, unless it was roleplay?

    I’m not saying I don’t believe there are folks who believe in this as gospel; I know that there are.

    I guess it’s the consensual characterization of it. I always think of Safe, Sane, and Consensual as the catchphrase for kink; once it goes beyond consensual, it’s abuse.

  19. Paul the Spud

    Sorry, no semi-consensual spanking for you!

    *Sigh* Damn it.

    Okay, I’ll start organizing the march…

    I wish it was a kink, even a kink taken too far. You want to be kinky, then be kinky, baby! But the more I’ve thought about this, the more convinced I’ve become that this has nothing to do with sexual pleasure – well, at least not the woman’s.

    Definitely not. But I’m sure there’s plenty of bible-thumping men out there that are thumping a lot more than their bibles when they look at this site if you know what I mean and I think you do.

    (I do so love run-on sentences.)

  20. Arkades

    You know you want to read more about this.

    No, no I don’t. *shudder*

  21. puellasolis

    I can’t even get my head around this EXCEPT as dom/sub play. How could someone do this to another adult without feeling foolish, unless it was roleplay?

    That’s just it. They believe that the husband is the natural head of the family, and that the wife should submit to him just as their children do.

  22. evilchemistry

    The General had some fun with the CDDers back in May. Here is a link

  23. I’m putting the wife on notice.

    LOL!

    If Mr. Shakes tried to tell me seriously that he was going to “punish” me for anything by spanking me, I would laugh in his face and tell him to get stuffed. And I’m quite certain he would do the same to me.

    We punish each other with the strategic use of passive aggression and stony silence, like normal people!

  24. This gives a whole different vibe than BSDM is a Christian Marriage, where it says a husband can submit. Although it’s only for the wife’s pleasure, and he’s still the official head of the house. (Check out the link for more fun reads, like Masturbation, God’s Great Gift to Us and Fisting and God’s Will)

    I think it’s more along the “we want to use violence and intimidation to keep our wives in line, so this is the legal way to do it so you don’t get arrested”. Not cool.

  25. Nadai

    Thanks for this, Jeff. I’m putting the wife on notice.

    It’s been nice reading you, Angelos. 🙂

  26. randyson

    Hey,

    Where can I get more information on CDD, I’m begining to like this. You know, this is the way things oughta be

  27. Having it for real “misbehavoir” just takes all the fun out of it, Y’know?

  28. Gah. You know how there are times that you wish you could take a brillo pad to your brain? Like, to scrub away information that you really wish you didn’t have or a picture you wish to hell you hadn’t seen? This is one of those times. I could have lived quite happily not knowing that something like this existed in 2007.

  29. Wait, did anyone check out some of the Google hits for Christian Domestic Discipline? It looks like a BDSM thing, but way more stringent. Check out the book description on Amazon:

    Book Description
    Domestic Discipline is a lifestyle choice for couples who want to rebalance their relationship and live in harmony through the application of caring, loving, discipline. This book show you how to set up, run, and benefit from a disciplinary lifestyle. Topics include: Why do people want a DD lifestyle? The Philosophy and Psychology of DD. Spanking and other forms of discipline. Corrective versus restorative discipline. Orgasm control and sexual focus. Discipline and emotional cycles. Synchronising your cycles. Applying the discipline. Maintenance discipline. Denial and Chastity. Enema discipline. Anal Discipline. DD in the bedroom and DD on the edge.

    I’m cool with people who want to live the BDSM life and all, as long as both parties are fully aware of everything involved and totally consensual. Not coerced into it by saying “God intends for us to do this”.

  30. Also, just now, it felt really uncomfortable to click “submit”. Almost as if I was buying into the idea of CDD.

    I ONLY SUBMIT TO POSTING!

  31. Jay in Oregon

    I’m with litbrit.

    Those bloomers are kinda hot, with the frills -n- ribbons.

    And even though my wife is a Christian, she’d laugh her ass off if I showed her that site. Heaven help me if I actually tried to suggest it.

  32. It’s always hard to tell whether something like this is just an extremely elaborate roleplay, or serious. The vibe I get here is serious. I don’t know what it is that tips it, but I think it’s this line:

    “Though we believe the Bible gives a husband the authority to use spanking as one tool in enforcing his authority in the home with or without his wife’s permission, in today’s world we recognize the legality that mandates that all CDD must be consensual. Therefore we will do not condone nonconsensual CDD as a rule.”

    To me, it’s the not-so-subtle implication that only the law prevents this from being nonconsensual that is the flashing red warning light. I don’t think you imply that it’s morally okay for a husband to spank his wife if you don’t think it is. If I were, say, a rape fetishist, I don’t think I could say, “Though we find sexual gratification from rape fantasies, in today’s world we recognize the legality…” without exposing myself not as someone who enjoys consensual roleplaying, but a rapist.

  33. randyson

    It offends feminist women when I say that I don’t believe a woman belongs in The White House, or that a woman shouldn’t be a police officer. I just don’t believe God created a woman to be TOUGH, and to exert force upon men. In fact, it’s crazy. Women are supposed to be feminine, sweet, and loving. I see these women cops who look like bullies, ready to PROVE that they can meet the mark…and be real she-men. I’ve met very few “professional women” who weren’t feminists. When a woman does a man’s job, she becomes like a man in her thinking, in her actions, etc. I’m not trying to be unkind, not at all. I’m simply saying that God created men and women different, and I’m against anything that diminishes the line between the sexes. I believe that ladies ought to be feminine, sweet, lovely, and charming. I believe men ought to be strong and masculine, rugged, and decisive. I’m opposed to anything that makes a man and a woman act alike, think alike, look alike, dress alike, or talk alike. Like it or not ladies, men and women are created different. There’s just some things that women can do better than men … and some things that men can do better than women. God made men to lead, it comes natural for them. Women are natural followers. For a woman to try to lead men is improper, she is taking on the disposition of a man. I have met a few “she-men” (women who act like men) in my lifetime. These are the “toughies.” These are the feisty women who like to start fights, run their mouths and cause trouble. They resent a husband’s right to authority. Feminism is of the Devil.

  34. We punish each other with the strategic use of passive aggression and stony silence, like normal people!

    Ah, so you’re Yankees then?

  35. grape_crush

    Am I just incapable of not letting the kids manipulate me? I don’t even know what is happening until it has already happened. I looked around yesterday and all the kids were gone to friends’ houses and I hadn’t checked their room and they hadn’t done any schoolwork or other chores…So what does this mean?

    Uhhh, maybe that your kids don’t respect you because you let your husband treat you like shit?

    randyson: Feminism is of the Devil.

    Either you are the best parody evah, or one of the biggest douchebags on the planet. I’m guessing the latter.

  36. jenn

    randyson,

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Not yours,

    Toughy McSheMan

  37. Brynn

    that the wife should submit to him just as their children do.

    I think more than the violence, I find the woman’s voluntary infantilization deeply disturbing.

    Not to say the potential for battering isn’t upsetting, too!

  38. Paul the Spud

    randyson: blah de blah de blah

    Oh. Your. God.

    That was seriously the funniest thing I’ve read in a good long time.

    She-Man, by the way, is He-Man’s less famous sister. She would beat the shit out of Moss Man when her brother was busy with Skeletor.

  39. Any one know a good cheap funeral service ’cause I am thinking of introducing this here for SWMBO and I want to know what it’s gonna cost me first.

  40. Zack

    That was seriously the funniest thing I’ve read in a good long time.

    Agreed. If the guy is serious–I mean, jesus, I couldn’t intentionaly write better satire than that.

    It’s such a covincing argument, though….

  41. You know Skeletor was totally into that, too.

  42. When a woman does a man’s job, she becomes like a man in her thinking, in her actions, etc.

    It’s true. My wife, who has a “job,” now pees standing up. She says it saves a lot of time.

  43. You know, I agree with Jeff that this is domestic violence, and not BDSM.

    But c’mon, as BDSM, it’s hot. I mean, “I’m going to discipline you, you naughty bitch” is one thing, but “I’m going to discipline you, you naughty bitch, because God wants me to” is a whole ‘nother level of kinky sick fun.

  44. Firstly, I love the harem girl pants and need a pair immediately.

    Secondly, people like Randyson get me thinking that they must live in very specific types of environments. I grew up in the rural northwoods. Life is pretty damn hard and you have to be very physical to survive. A majority of hetero-men I know weren’t looking for frilly flowers of femininity and most of the women would roll their eyes if they were told they had to be such things. The men were pleased to have a strong partner, someone who could actually help during hunting season, help with milking, support the family if he happened to get laid off from the only factory in the whole damn county. If there were a woman in my part of the world anything like Randyson described, the first thing people would wonder is if she had some sort of chronic wasting illness and how soon could they throw a benefit to get enough money so she could be cured. The second thing they would think is that she had been imported from somewhere else and would likely flee the northwoods in terror within five years. The third thing they would think is that it wouldn’t be long before the household went to hell in a handbasket because the homestead needed a strong, intelligent woman to coordinate everything – from maintenance to household bills to social life – no matter who actually did the work.

  45. I’m against anything that diminishes the line between the sexes

    So my dressing you up as a Catholic schoolgirl and paddling your rosy bum to punish you for being a naughty, naughty girl while I’m dressed as Jesus is out then?

    Shucks.

  46. Zack

    So my dressing you up as a Catholic schoolgirl and paddling your rosy bum to punish you for being a naughty, naughty girl while I’m dressed as Jesus is out then?

    Well, I can’t speak for randy (ha!), but I think I’m gonna have to gone lie down for a while.

    Shakesville, Blue!

  47. everstar

    The thing that really creeps me out about this is that there are maintenance spankings in addition to the punishment spankings. So not only does your husband get to beat you when he thinks you’ve done something wrong, he gets to beat you just as upkeep.

  48. Paul the Spud

    You know Skeletor was totally into that, too.

    LOL!!!!!!

  49. NameChanged

    randyson,

    please please treat me like a lady. I want you to talk down to me as if I were a child. I want you to tell me where to go, how to get there, and what to do upon arrival. I would love it if you could be very, very “manly” and carry heavy things, open pickle jars, smash bugs, and eat my dinner.

    don’t ever let me have an “off day.” I need “correction.” Make sure that you outline your rules and regulations as to how I should raise our children. I will follow them to the tea while you are at work, and while you are at the bowling alley, and while you have martinis and cigars with the guys. It is my duty, and my role. There is no confusion about that.

    When I stray from your ideal of what is feminine, please let me know. I will gladly come running (although terrified, and likely crying) to you. I deserve everything that I get. Hit me and make me a better woman. It is your duty as a man. I will follow your lead, as God intended.

    Also, fuck you in the neck.

  50. So my dressing you up as a Catholic schoolgirl and paddling your rosy bum to punish you for being a naughty, naughty girl while I’m dressed as Jesus is out then?

    I’ll be in my bunk.

    And Paul? Skeletor and He-Man were body-hairless, muscular men in chest harnesses and loincloths. I’m sure I don’t need to draw you a picture — especially when Tom of Finland has done it so well already.

  51. Those undies are actually kinda hot though… Just my two cents.

  52. Paul the Spud

    Also, fuck you in the neck.

    Christ. That’s so hilarious, I want it tattooed on my body. 😀

    And Paul? Skeletor and He-Man were body-hairless, muscular men in chest harnesses and loincloths. I’m sure I don’t need to draw you a picture — especially when Tom of Finland has done it so well already.

    You know He-Man was always in the sling.

  53. It’s always hard to tell whether something like this is just an extremely elaborate roleplay, or serious. The vibe I get here is serious.

    I agree that this woman is serious, but it’s possible that’s only because she’s too uptight to see it as play. If she were comfortable enough with her sexuality to fly her freak flag and enjoy the kink the good Lord gave her, who cares? Then she could even satisfy her exhibitionist urges as well by writing an “I never thought this would happen to me…” letter to Penthouse instead of making it out to be Christian ministry. Even if she has to dress it up in some overwrought role-playing, where she needs to give her husband excuses to give her a spanking she wants, that wouldn’t be anyone else’s problem.

    The problem I suspect is that she’s bound and determined to be Normal. For her to be Normal, that means that everybody unlike her must be Abnormal. And to be a Good Normal Christian Woman, she has to save the rest of the world from Sin and Abnormality, which requires her to go forth and preach her kink as the One True Way as pronounced by God Almighty. Never mind how many really sick abusive husbands she’s enabling in the process.

    Things like this, dear Shakers, are why Normal people scare the Everlasting Shit out of me.

  54. Masturbation, God’s Great Gift to Us

    I’ve long suspected that Ben Franklin was wrong, and that masturbation, rather than beer, is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.

  55. mamajane

    Spud, actually, He-Man’s sister was named She-Ra, or something like that, and DAMN was she hawt, in that special butchybusty female hero kind of way.

    “We punish each other with the strategic use of passive aggression and stony silence, like normal people! Liss, laughing so hard at that one, that I’m totally snorting.

  56. randyson

    The result of feminism has been a combination of disorder and state tyranny, cascading from America to the rest of the world. Feminism has meant growing deceit, heartlessness and brutality in daily life, resulting in particular suffering for the weak. It has meant confusion and misery for the young, who have been deprived of stable family life and concrete ideals of adulthood. It has meant the destruction of local and popular institutions and replaced them with ever more powerful and irresponsible state bureaucracies. It has set some women free but only to become sexual commodities. It is obvious that feminism is more about polarisation rather than about normality and harmony.

  57. Anybody want some popcorn? This is going to be good.

  58. I like mine with butter and Tony Cachere’s Creole Seasoning, please. What’ve my arteries ever done for me really?

  59. NameChanged

    randyson,

    see my previous comment. and again…

    FUCK YOU IN THE NECK!!!!

  60. mamajane

    randyson, I almost feel sorry for you. Obviously you are very personally invested in your beliefs, but you are fooling yourself if you think that you will change hearts and minds hereabouts.

    That being said, by all means, keep posting, and JackGoff, please pass the popcorn, extra butter if you will, this way.

  61. randyson

    mamajane,

    your hero:

    Margaret Sanger, the alcoholic and Demerol addict, who spawned the International Planned Parenthood Federation, was a proponent of forced eugenics, segregation, abortion, birth control and sexual immorality. Here are some of her quotes.

    “The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”
    Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood

    “Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.”
    Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood

    “We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population…”
    Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood

  62. Wait.. so this means that women have to be spanked into submission by their husbands? That will save society??

  63. JackGoff,

    Do you think they have a roster, like in baseball? Each of them has to go to Shakesville on a particular day and just run with whichever thread best suits their purpose? Yesterday, we had the Mighty Herc, leading off with the “I’m cooler than thou because I have the biggest bestest toys.” Randyson’s batting second with the pseudo-MRA, pseudo-Limbaugh vomitus. I wonder who is on clean up?

    And, really, part of feminism is allowing me and not anyone else and certainly not society at large or even the Great Bully Himself to decide whether I am a sexual commodity or not. And since it is my choice, I think I might like to wear the harem girl pants this weekend, if anyone is game 🙂

  64. Oh, God, Randyson, you did not go to the Margaret Sanger myths, did you?

    Tom Paine ripped this to shreds. Here’s the context for your last quote:

    “It seems to me from my experience . . . in North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, and Texas, that while the colored Negroes have great respect for white doctors, they can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table. . . . They do not do this with the white people, and if we can train the Negro doctor at the clinic, he can go among them with enthusiasm and with knowledge, which, I believe, will have far-reaching results. . . . His work, in my opinion, should be entirely with the Negro profession and the nurses, hospital, social workers, as well as the County’s white doctors. His success will depend upon his personality and his training by us. The minister’s work is also important, and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation, as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs (1939). (emphasis added.)”

    See also here.

    You’re either doing great parody, or you’re the dumbest troll yet.

  65. What kind of reward does the wife get if she brings him his slippers in her mouth, on all fours?

    Words fail me, too.

  66. Shakesville – where trolls go to be mocked.

    Maybe it’s a new kind of dominance/submission kink? Troll at Shakesville and get laughed at and mocked by strong women and feminist men?

    Makes me feel dirty, I tells ya!

  67. I’d like a little white cheddar seasoning on my popcorn, please.

    And I just sent a link to the website to Dear Husband and a bunch of my church friends, who will alternately ROFL or barf when they see it — maybe a little of both. It’s almost Onion-worthy.

  68. ellenbrenna

    He left out the stories sanger told about husbands being made to sleep on the roof so as not to get their wives pregnant again because more children would have bankrupted them.

    Or the women who killed themselves upon finding out they were pregnant yet again and could not afford to give birth or their family would starve…Seriously birth control is a good thing for families and women it allows them to focus more time and resources on individual children.

    Such a hater that Sanger…I am sure Randyson argues so fervently against white supremacy at every oppurtunity because that was the dominant ideology behind eugenics. It was the dominant ideology in American politics and culture for decades so virtually any public figure at the time can be found to have said things that we would find racist and backward.

  69. randyson

    Jeff,

    why would one ever have make a comment like this in the first place? whatever the context may be:

    “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population”

    ..Jeff, with all of the sex-ed (i.e. birth control, condoms, etc) in the last few decades, why is the abortion rate X2 as much as the seventies? This is why abstinance education needs a chance, it has worked before it was sidetracked by the sexual revolution. Are you listening B.Hussian Obama?? let 5 yr olds be 5 yr olds!

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  71. Arkades

    Playing catch-up on the thread, here…

    Therefore we will do not condone nonconsensual CDD as a rule.

    So, they’re really more like ‘guidelines’? Kind of like that Pirate Code in the PotC films?

    Women are supposed to be feminine, sweet, and loving.

    Women are ‘supposed’ to be autonomous human beings who can be whatever they want to be. Period.

    The result of feminism has been a combination of disorder and state tyranny, cascading from America to the rest of the world.

    Odd. I could have sworn it was “neo-conservatism” that did all of that.

    Feminism has meant growing deceit, heartlessness and brutality in daily life, resulting in particular suffering for the weak. It has meant confusion and misery for the young, who have been deprived of stable family life and concrete ideals of adulthood.

    Yeah, because *none* of those problems existed in the world prior to feminism, huh? I suppose those waifs working in factories during the Industrial Revolution didn’t realize just how good they had it back then.

    Ah, screw this. Snarkcasm is wasted on the likes of thee.

  72. Brynn

    Like it or not ladies, men and women are created different.

    I’m not a lady, Randyson, but please tell me, exactly, how are men and women created so different?

    We all start out developing in the womb with the tissue that will form both ovaries and testes. As we develop, if enough testosterone is present in the bloodstream–even if its coming from outside sources, such as a prescription to prevent miscarriage, as occurred in the 1950’s–the outer labia fuse to form a scrotum, and the clitoris grows, fuses along the midline and the urethra extends to or somewhere near the tip. If testosterone is not present, or the cells are genetically resistant, nothing fuses nor extends, the labia stay labia and the clit stays small.

    This all, btw, is independent of chromosomes: 46XX or 46XY or or 45X or 45Y or 47XXX, 47XYY, or 47XXY–all of which are among the possibiliites. In fact, some women are actually 46XY and some men are 46XX, without ever knowing it.

    Let’s not forget, either, the one in 2000 births who are infants with a mixture of sexual characteristics, the result of going along both developmental pathways, who used to be called “hermaphrodites” but now prefer the term “intersexed”.

    This is just a brief mention of the possibilities. Bottom line, though, the only place it’s really different is in the fantasy of your mind.

  73. NameChanged

    I will keep saying it (unless Melissa stops me).

    FUCK YOU IN THE NECK!!! You are off topic at this point and you are pissing me off. What does this most recent comment have to do with husbands spanking their wives as if they were children? Nothing. You just think that all women should shut the fuck up, make as many babies as the mens impregnate them with, and gladly accept “punishment” for percieved “mistakes.” This is (according to your comments) what equals acceptable gender roles.

    FYITN!!!!

  74. Chromosome Crawl

    “This is why abstinance (sic) education needs a chance, it has worked…”

    Umm, shall we point you to the numerous recent reports by independent bodies that say otherwise?

    PLEASE RANDY – PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE OVEN – you’re wasting gas!!

    Oh wait, maybe not.

  75. And now, right here in this thread, we see another example of a freak trying so hard to be Normal that he needs to make the rest of the world as screwy as he is.

  76. Stayss225

    Absitnance?
    Let’s give spelling bees a chance too…

  77. mamajane

    Reeeeeaaallllyyy, randyson, conservatives like everything black and white, but reality is full of nuance and context. This twisting of context and selective editing of Sanger quotes are ancient right-wing propaganda, if you’re going to try to tangle in Shakesville you’re going to have to come up with something more current, and for fuck’s sake be a bit more creative. We Shakers are a big bunch of smartypants, we even know how to use the Google. Please have some mercy on yourself and go troll somewhere where the folks don’t know how to fact check. Chances are, that won’t be any liberal blogs, as Colbert says “reality has a well-known liberal bias”.

  78. randyson

    Byrnn,

    I am certainly sypathetic to the intersexed. I understand.

    …I’m refering to the feminist movement in general who would have no problem making it legal to abort intersexed babies, which is disgusting.

    bye for know…

  79. Oh, shit, randyson’s gone? I wanted to tell him FUCK YOU IN THE NECK! too.

    Rats.

    Meanwhile, let’s get back to Skeletor and He-Man. HAWT.

  80. I’ve seen the CDD thing before, and had I found it 20 years ago, I would have coerced my husband into it. I top from the bottom in bed.

    In real life, I top from the top. Soft, sweet and feminine look ridiculous when you’re 6′ tall. The best I can do is “intimidatingly butch, yet hot.”

    I drive an 18 wheeler. I do a man’s work, I insist on a man’s pay. And yeah, I’m a feminist. Feminism is not of the Devil. It’s of Lilith, Adam’s first wife, who when he picked up the apple-tree switch for a little domestic discipline, looked at him and said “Fuck you in the neck. Asmodeus is a better lay.”

    Mama Lilith is generous to her daughters.

    And Randy, Abstinence fails in 95% of cases, because everyone forgets the oral component when their hormones are percolating. No other birth control has a worse failure.

  81. “Fuck you in the neck” would look great on a t-shirt by the way.

  82. It doesn’t necessarily look ridiculous — I seem to do pretty okay*. But pulling off intimidating is easier when you’re that tall, yes. 😀

    * People constantly underestimate my height, also six feet even, until they get very close. Strange.

  83. Brynn

    Whoa, I’ve got whiplash! Sympathetic…understand…feminist…abort…disgusting.

    Also, what happened to “men and women are created different”?

    I guess when a grasp of logic is missing, anything’s possible, eh?

    Why do they bother to come here?

  84. Jeff, with all of the sex-ed (i.e. birth control, condoms, etc) in the last few decades, why is the abortion rate X2 as much as the seventies?

    Well, it could be that abortion’s legal now.

    Also, what does this have to do with crazy people wanting to spank their wives? Other than your presence here, randyson….

  85. Methinks randyson did a Google search about Christian spanking and ended up here.

    Oooh, that smarts!

  86. grape_crush

    Mustang Bobby: ..randyson did a Google search about Christian spanking and ended up here.

    He’s a Christian, and he kinda got spanked…Mission Accomplished!

  87. I’ve long suspected that Ben Franklin was wrong, and that masturbation, rather than beer, is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.

    No question. I mean, you have to actually buy beer, right?

  88. Could someone explain to me how one gets fucked in the neck? This has been bothering me for a while.

    Also, I think that randyson might be one of the Melmanda twins just having some fun. It’s just really hard for me to believe that someone actually thinks like that.

  89. Why do they bother to come here?

    Hey, as I said, I think it’s the latest form of kink – trolling until you get beat down by people smarter and wittier than you.

    Either that or these trolls are really, really stupid…

    (Though it could be both, I suppose.)

  90. randyson

    “trolling until you get beat down by people smarter and wittier than you.”

    “Fuck you in the neck”
    “Fuck you in the neck”
    “Fuck you in the neck”
    “Fuck you in the neck”

    tyes, very witty! very inteligent! This is how they deal with dissenting opinions.

  91. evilchemistry

    No randyson, that is how you deal with willfully ignorant shitbags such as yourself. By the way, when did you your wife leave you for another woman? You know it is irresponsible not to speculate, just ask Our Lady of the Dolphins. I’ve never heard of anyone so bitter, especially at people just wanting equality.

    Here is the link that I fucked up before from the General.

  92. This is how they deal with dissenting opinions.

    Dissenting opinions should be rational if they wish to be taken seriously. Generally, they do not take the form of “Feminism is from the Devil”, which is mere tweakage. Hope that helps.

    And sorry I zonked out, everyone. I needed a nap, rough day. Here’s the popcorn, like I promised!

  93. Angelos

    Could someone explain to me how one gets fucked in the neck? This has been bothering me for a while.

    Well, with a huge cock, anything is possible, as long as she doesn’t have a bad gag reflex.

    Which reminds me of the best TV blooper ever, and I saw it live:
    ESPN, SportsCenter, quite a few years ago. Rees Davis and Keith Olbermann hosting.

    Some athlete missed a game with an injury.

    Davis said he was out with a “bulging dick in his neck.”

    Olbermann was done. D-U-N done.

    How I myself didn’t die from some sort of laughter-induced asphyxiation, I have no idea.

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  95. tyes, very witty! very inteligent! This is how they deal with dissenting opinions.

    Ok, here’s some thoughts for you:

    –“Ezer Cenegdo” doesn’t mean helpmeet. If you’re unsure what I’m talking about, those words are the Hebrew words used to describe the companion that God made for the first human.

    –The order of humanity that puts men in leadership all the time is first described in Genesis 3. Genesis 3 where God curses the various people involved in eating the forbidden fruit: the woman, the man, the serpent. So obviously the idea that Men are supposed to dominate women in any way is the result of sin, of the curse that God put on us. Christian theology teaches that Jesus came to restore the Image of God, the original order of Creation.

    –Paul talked about women’s submission. He also talked about there being no difference between men and women, Jews and Gentiles, slaves and free. Both are Scripture. I have thought through and believe that I’ve come to a good understanding of what Paul meant when he was talking about wives submitting and all that. Have you thought about what he meant with the other stuff?

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  97. “I just don’t believe God created a woman to be TOUGH, and to exert force upon men.”

    I hate to break it to ya, Randyson, but I can cheerfully beat the living crap out of you. Whenever you want me to, say the word.

  98. Okay, that’s twice this week I’ve been too fucking charming on a thread and then a troll shows up and charm is wasted while people throw tomatoes…and necks…at the troll.

    Damn.

  99. NameChanged

    Deborah,

    I’m sorry. I am a bit juvenile in this comment thread, due to the misbehaving woman motif. You were absolutely charming. And I tried to tell the troll to get off or get back on topic, but that was lost in my childish rants.

    Keep up the charm.

  100. It seems funny, but I dont’ really see anything funny in women getting beaten up. Surely this is abuse and must be punished by law?

  101. Raymond

    They love it really. The only sad thing is that there is no spanking for the husband, but then I get mine legitimately just because I want it.

  102. cullen

    I remember not long ago, homosexuality was illegal and considered a detestable perversion, many still believe it is. In addition not some 50 years ago it was illegal for a wife to give her husband a blow job or to receive anal sex. A couple of decades before that if a women wore a dress above her knees in public she would be arrested for indecent exposure. Now in this chat room the very people who live in these freedoms are actually calling others who “consensually” I might add, and this is important, actually calling them sick or calling for them to be arrested. Clearly these are individuals with an emotional dependency regarding spanking. No different than any of you or your kinks, and if you say you don’t have one, you are a liar, because everybody does and yours are probably much sicker. Hypocrites!

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