Are You Kidding Me?

Tony Snow thinks such things as due process, habeas corpus, and the rule of law are for wimps. That’s what he told a reporter at yesterday’s press briefing when he was asked about the president’s goal of global democratization.

Are you saying that detaining people who are plucked off the battlefields is an assault on democracy? Are you kidding me? You’re talking about the people who were responsible for supporting the Taliban, somehow detaining them is an assault on democracy?

Uh, yeah, that’s exactly what we’re saying, because we have been going around the world for the last six years saying that we are better than they are; that we are the beacon of democracy and the rule of law. That’s why when we jail people without charge for an indefinite period of time, when we deny them access to a court of law or an attorney, or when we ship them off to other places to torture them, we make a mockery of everything we stand for.

No kidding.

(H/T to Spencer Ackerman at TPMmuckraker.)

Cross-posted from Bark Bark Woof Woof.

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  1. Molly, NYC

    Not that it matters in the Bush White House, but is Press Secretary one of those jobs that begins by taking an oath to preserve and defend the Constitution? (And note that these oaths are quite common; not just by elected officials and everyone in the military–I had to take one just to become a public notary.) (Gladly, I should add. But unlike Republicans, I don’t think of our Constitution as just a scrap of paper.)

  2. I wish someone would have pointed out that we’ve released some of those people already, so they obviously weren’t all supporting the Taliban, and that we have others we’ve said aren’t guilty, but we can’t find anywhere to send them.

    They really don’t like that whole “presumption of innocence” thing when it comes to anyone but their friends, do they?

  3. Molly, you nailed it. The oath taken by the Preznit, VP, AG, and even a lowly common attorney like me, requires one to protect and defend the Constitution. Every time Chimpy spouts off about how his job is to “protect the ‘Merican people,” I want to scream, “No, it isn’t, you dolt. It’s to protect the Constitution. Read the freaking job description! I’ll give you a hand, it’s in Article II.”

  4. nightshift66

    The thing that grabbed my eye was his effortless lie that these people were taken ‘from the battlefield.’ The vast majority of detainees in Afghanistan were turned over to us by the Northern Alliance, which had its own axe to grind. We have only, ONLY the word of the NA that these people did anything at all. Same situation in Iraq, where many of our prisoners were turned over to us by non-US personnel. It isn’t as though they were captured by our servicemen in battle, and if they were they are POWs with rights under the Geneva Conventions.

    So yes, I do wish to put the government to its proof that these people are what you claim they are, Tony. You haven’t been able to do it yet in almost 6 years.

  5. Geez, he’s got the gall to make noises about people “responsible for supporting the Taliban” when his masters were the ones who abandoned the anti-Taliban fight in Afghanistan for their adventures in Iraq, causing that creepy misogynist fundie group to REGAIN POWER?

    Every time you think their chutzpah has reached a limit, they turn it up one more notch.

  6. Yesterday, while listening to NPR on a brief drive, I was treated to some twit (don’t recall exactly who — but gov-related) saying that he had NO CONCERN about whether these acts damaged the moral authority of the US — that this simply did not matter!

    It boggles the mind. Have these people read any history . . . ever?!?

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Are You Kidding Me?

Tony Snow thinks such things as due process, habeas corpus, and the rule of law are for wimps. That’s what he told a reporter at yesterday’s press briefing when he was asked about the president’s goal of global democratization.

Are you saying that detaining people who are plucked off the battlefields is an assault on democracy? Are you kidding me? You’re talking about the people who were responsible for supporting the Taliban, somehow detaining them is an assault on democracy?

Uh, yeah, that’s exactly what we’re saying, because we have been going around the world for the last six years saying that we are better than they are; that we are the beacon of democracy and the rule of law. That’s why when we jail people without charge for an indefinite period of time, when we deny them access to a court of law or an attorney, or when we ship them off to other places to torture them, we make a mockery of everything we stand for.

No kidding.

(H/T to Spencer Ackerman at TPMmuckraker.)

Cross-posted from Bark Bark Woof Woof.

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6 responses to “Are You Kidding Me?

  1. I wish someone would have pointed out that we’ve released some of those people already, so they obviously weren’t all supporting the Taliban, and that we have others we’ve said aren’t guilty, but we can’t find anywhere to send them.

    They really don’t like that whole “presumption of innocence” thing when it comes to anyone but their friends, do they?

  2. Molly, you nailed it. The oath taken by the Preznit, VP, AG, and even a lowly common attorney like me, requires one to protect and defend the Constitution. Every time Chimpy spouts off about how his job is to “protect the ‘Merican people,” I want to scream, “No, it isn’t, you dolt. It’s to protect the Constitution. Read the freaking job description! I’ll give you a hand, it’s in Article II.”

  3. nightshift66

    The thing that grabbed my eye was his effortless lie that these people were taken ‘from the battlefield.’ The vast majority of detainees in Afghanistan were turned over to us by the Northern Alliance, which had its own axe to grind. We have only, ONLY the word of the NA that these people did anything at all. Same situation in Iraq, where many of our prisoners were turned over to us by non-US personnel. It isn’t as though they were captured by our servicemen in battle, and if they were they are POWs with rights under the Geneva Conventions.

    So yes, I do wish to put the government to its proof that these people are what you claim they are, Tony. You haven’t been able to do it yet in almost 6 years.

  4. Geez, he’s got the gall to make noises about people “responsible for supporting the Taliban” when his masters were the ones who abandoned the anti-Taliban fight in Afghanistan for their adventures in Iraq, causing that creepy misogynist fundie group to REGAIN POWER?

    Every time you think their chutzpah has reached a limit, they turn it up one more notch.

  5. Yesterday, while listening to NPR on a brief drive, I was treated to some twit (don’t recall exactly who — but gov-related) saying that he had NO CONCERN about whether these acts damaged the moral authority of the US — that this simply did not matter!

    It boggles the mind. Have these people read any history . . . ever?!?

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