GOP Debate

Remember the Democrats all raising their hands when asked whether Don’t Ask Don’t Tell should be repealed? Yeah, not so much with the Republicans last night.

From the transcript:

MR. BLITZER: Is there anyone here who believes gays and lesbians should be allowed to serve openly in the United States military? If you do, speak up now. (Silence.)

That about sums it up.

By the way, his keep DADT because “we get our rights from our creator as individuals” answer ought to take the shine off Ron Paul for all the liberals (cough Bill Maher cough) who couldn’t stop sucking his dick because he sounded vaguely reasonable on the Iraq War, but never bothered to check out the rest of his positions.

One of the best moments of the night was when Giuliani couldn’t get through his answer about abortion without crackles of lightning interrupting him. I’m sure the conservative evangelicals are talking about that one today!

The candidates on how they would use George W. Bush in their administrations (comedy fucking gold! from Tommy Thompson):

The candidates on whether Scooter Libby deserves a pardon:

The evolution, climate change, Big Oil segment:

Oy gevalt. Credit Huckabee with what has to be the dumbest statement of the night: “I’ll tell you what I can tell this country: If they want a president who doesn’t believe in god, there’s probably plenty of choices.” Oh yeah? Name one.

Douchebag.

Many, many thanks, as always, to Petulant for the video.

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27 responses to “GOP Debate

  1. MR. Bill

    When I hear that the Military has fired its Arabic translators because they are gay, I think of how Alan Turing, the computer genius who’s work broke the German Enigma codes in WW2, was hounded to suicide for his homosexuality.

    What is it about translation, and why were so many Arabic-English Translators gay?

  2. Melissa McEwan

    What is it about translation, and why were so many Arabic-English Translators gay?

    I don’t know, but one possibility is that some were Arabic-speaking immigrants, who left their countries of birth because they were gay, as many Arabic-speaking countries tend to be even more hostile toward LGBTs than is America.

  3. I’m not really eager to defend Ron Paul, but wasn’t he just paraphrasing the Declaration of Independence?

    “[T]hat they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

  4. Evelyn

    Maybe gay is on the same gene as smart.

  5. NonyNony

    By the way, his keep DADT because “we get our rights from our creator as individuals” answer ought to take the shine off Ron Paul for all the liberals (cough Bill Maher cough)

    Just for the record, Bill Maher isn’t a liberal. He’s pretty much in the libertarian camp and has been for as long as I can remember. Liberals and civil libertarians have started to look an awful lot alike in the Bush era due to the Bush administration’s love of clamping down on civil liberties but don’t kid yourself about Maher being liberal.

    And anyone on the liberal side of the aisle who is still thinking that Ron Paul is just fine and dandy needs to watch the clip from the Daily Show the other night. Ron Paul is an anti-tax, anti-government nutjob who admits that he would eliminate Medicare once he has “weaned the people off of the need for government”. He also seems to think that all problems with corporations stem from government largesse to corporations and not from the corporations themselves — basically that companies like Haliburton are only “evil” because they get lots of money from the government and that all problems with corporations outside of government largesse can be “solved by the Free Market”. He has the economic knowledge of an Econ 101 student and his ideas would be terrible for our ability to compete on the global world market (where government regulation and support of companies is crucial for competition).

    And, if any liberal still has any inkling of voting for Ron Paul, they should go over and read the expose that Sara has written up at Orcinus: http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/06/man-of-hour.html

    In it she points out ties that Paul has to militia groups from Texas, racist organizations and the John Birch Society. Paul is part of the Pat Buchanan wing of the Republican Party and while he says some things I agree with I’m not going to kid myself that he’s any kind of progressive – he arrives at these stances through reactionary reasoning because of his desire for isolationism and his simplistic views on economics and liberty and not because of any kind of progressive outlook on life. Ron Paul would be as dangerous a president as almost any other GOPer up on stage.

  6. oddjob

    Nice to know the GOP still doggedly pursues the strategy it has pursued ever since 1969, to make the country a welcoming place for the bigotry of Dixiecrats………

  7. Melissa McEwan

    Just for the record, Bill Maher isn’t a liberal. He’s pretty much in the libertarian camp and has been for as long as I can remember.

    No, Bill Maher is a liberal who says he’s a libertarian for the same reason conservatives who claim to be libertarians do: To explain away political inconsistencies that expose their character flaws. He just has different “issues,” namely that he’s a sexist prig.

  8. oddjob

    Dr. Ron Paul has run for president before as the nominee of the Libertarian Party, so his minimal government views are quite strong. He is also firmly anti-abortion.

  9. And here I was thinking Mr. Paul had just skimmed the Econ 101 course syllabus. Might’ve been a little harsh.

    . . .

    Nah.

  10. Um, the revelation that the military has been discharging needed linguists because they’re gay is not “recent” at all. Unless “recent” is a couple of years ago. What the hell? They think the earth and all its features were literally created in 6 days, but that a years-old revelation that DADT is costing the armed forces crucial access to important personal is “recent”?

    It’s like a campaign for president of bizzaro-land. Ugh.

    …and could Mitt Romney look and act any more like a Stepford Governor? Seriously.

  11. Melissa McEwan

    They think the earth and all its features were literally created in 6 days, but that a years-old revelation that DADT is costing the armed forces crucial access to important personal is “recent”?

    LOL!

  12. MR. Bill

    GoldFishy, I think there was another spate of expulsions in the past few weeks. See: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/23/america/NA-GEN-US-Military-Gays.php

  13. oddjob

    …and could Mitt Romney look and act any more like a Stepford Governor? Seriously.

    Romney, who makes plastic look authentic…….

    As Groucho once said, “Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them… well, I have others.”

  14. MR. Bill

    And did anyone else notice that the ‘religious’ Republican candidates all seem to endorse pre-emptive unilateral nuclear bombing?

  15. …and could Mitt Romney look and act any more like a Stepford Governor?

    He looks like a Presidential Candi-Doll by Mattel.

  16. Thanks MR. Bill. I guess my concern is that this issue is only now being seen as a problem now that there’s a congressional investigation of the matter. What about the hundreds of perfectly qualified personnel that were previously discharged? What about the fact that, in the last 5 years, we’ve desperately needed to maintain a top-notch roster of dedicated individuals to conduct our military operations, and instead of thoughtfully saying, “you know, this whole gays-are-the-source-of-what’s-wrong-in-the-military thing isn’t quite working out so well,” they’ve instead played ostrich (no offense, ostriches) and continued to allow this to happen. And at what cost? We’ll never really know.

    I was in the military (the Army Reserve, 1988-1994), and besides the idea that “GoldFishy with a Gun” is kinda scary, I couldn’t wait to get out. It was a cesspool of anti-gay jokes, suspicion and bigotry. The only way something like will actually change is if somebody in charge decides that it should. I’m sure not all military units function the same way that mine did, but until it’s seen as wrong to treat other soldiers badly based on their sexual orientation–perceived or real–this military will continue to lose qualified people already enlisted and commissioned, and will also continue to lose out on countless potential recruits who are too decent and honest to hide their true selves.

  17. As I’ve said many times before (Liss, perhaps I should post this crazy idea?), I think Mitt Romney is none other than the Evil Smarmy Politician With World-Ending Designs from Stephen King’s The Dead Zone. You remember the Christopher Walken movie, yes? Evil Smarmy Politician guy was played by Martin Sheen. Romney is a DEAD RINGER, I swear it.

  18. Okay, Liss, both pics are at photobucket, side by side. For your freaking-out pleasure!

  19. rather than pay any attention to the republican debate (and my profound thanks to those who were able to stifle the gag reflex long enough to assemble the clips and bits) i watch the University of Arizona Women’s Softball team (the defending champs) go up against a tough Lady Volunteers side from Tennessee. Despite having a blister on her throwing hand the Wildcat pitcher Mowatt hung tough against the damned near unhittable Monica Abbott. Arizona dug out a 1-0 victory in the 10th inning to tie the series. Deciding game tonight. My daughter who attends UofA and I will be glued to the tube. As an old Sun Devil (ASU) she hasn’t gotten me to wear the blue and red shirt yet, but, I would much rather watch dedicated student athletes than a bunch of retro-stone-age white men spouting hatred.

    litbrit: dead clever notice of the similarities. most of the republican candidates have their genesis in the writings of stephen king or, in the case of ron paul, mamet.

  20. nightshift66

    Minstrel,
    I completely agree with your priorities. I can’t even watch the Dems debate this early. I certainly won’t make myself suffer through the GOP mess. I hate zombie movies.

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  22. I think they would want anyone they could get in the military. This is not my view, but I could see them saying that allowing gays and pro-choice people in the military just gives them a better chance of getting killed and “doing god’s work.”

    We had a few gay men in my unit and I had no problem with most of them. There was this big dude who had a habit of trying to sexually assault some of us, but that was probably more meth related then sexuality. He probably would have done the same to women. He got thrown out and he deserved it. Not because he was gay, but because he was eventually going to go too far or get himself killed.

    I loved the other guys though. They were the ones who always said I was too gay to actually be gay. I thought every soldier moisturized and used Bath and Body Works lotions in the field

  23. So, what I heard.. was… timing…. and a bunch of word play. These guys KNOW they are on the wrong side of the arguement.
    FN Mcrane I love my troups… cept the gay ones
    and romizoid… it’s working?
    what a lame ass show of NO BALLZ.

  24. oddjob

    These guys KNOW they are on the wrong side of the arguement.

    And know they are trolling for the votes of others who are even more strongly on that same wrong side.

    Pathetic……..

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